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5 January 2010 15:57 h

Stage #1837290487: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2010-01-05 05:45:16 (ET)
Table: MAIN ST (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - JAPKING ($53.15 in chips)
Seat 4 - KLAASSILM ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 5 - LARGEFISHY ($50 in chips)
Seat 6 - LOOSEGOOSE10 ($59.05 in chips)
Seat 1 - CHAMPGATOR ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - ONEDONKEY21 ($33.81 in chips)
KLAASSILM - Posts small blind $0.25
LARGEFISHY - Posts big blind $0.50
POCKET CARDS
Dealt to JAPKING

6 of hearts ace of diamonds
LOOSEGOOSE10 - Folds
CHAMPGATOR - Folds
ONEDONKEY21 - Calls $0.50
JAPKING - Raises $2.25 to $2.25
KLAASSILM - Folds
LARGEFISHY - Folds
ONEDONKEY21 - Calls $1.75

FLOP

10 of hearts queen of spades ace of spades
ONEDONKEY21 - Bets $2.62

JAPKING?
Flush
Flush
5 January 2010 20:38 h
Im usually always folding here. Ocassionally 15 percent of the time mabye I might concider raising just to make sure Im not getting robbed but if you just call then you have to call another bet and the limp/call by onedonky could easily be JK or 9J Q10 so my lone ace weak kicker never good for me. So if you call here he will bet another 6-8 bucks on the turn right so I think raising this amount now will give you the information you need. If he calls and fires again your beat. if he calls and checks to a blank card you already called the bet cause you scared him. Im finding alot of players betting this half pot amount with second pair with a good draw as well so in this instance you could price him out of the pot or make him pay to draw. Really Im folding though 85 percent of the time.
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6 January 2010 10:17 h
I think you have him beat but mostly i would fold this hand.
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7 January 2010 08:02 h
Raising is out of the question here, but I guess you figured that out.

Against a good aggressive player you have to call as he could easily be betting a draw or bluffing.

Against straight forward regs and fish you have an easy fold I think.

Not a great spot anyways, so folding can never be a big mistake. Calling to much can, as reverse implied odds are a pain in your ass in this spot.
Moderator
Moderator
7 January 2010 10:38 h
I think I should call here, donkbets tend to be draws/medium hands in my experience. Strong hands would check/call or check/raise most of the time.

@whateverman, raising for information is usually a bad idea, as the information you get is not worth the money you`re paying for it. Before raising ask yourself these 2 questions:

1) will I get called by worse hands?
2) can I make better hands fold?

If the answer to these questions is no (or if you can think of very few hands), then you generally shouldn`t raise.
Flush
Flush
7 January 2010 11:20 h
Well most of the time I wouldnt but hes limping then betting half pot. Agreed you dont get what you pay for when trying to get info but over time or even in the session your playing I find it useful. If he raises you then you know hes limping strong hands and can adjust your preflop raises when hes in a pot. Also if you fold and the same type of situation comes up then are you going to fold again and then again if you happen to play the same player in a day/week? You raised preflop and flopped top pair. I think if you didnt want to call with top pair then you dont raise A6off preflop. If you only call then your letting him draw way to cheap and if the 6 of spades pops what are you going to do? Again like I said I would mostly fold and this is all Hypathetical questions or situations that might travel through my brain as I face these spots.What I might ask myself is. What is he limping that can beat me now? Will he fold a draw to a raise?
Really its just the limp/call then half pot bet that has me a bit suspicious
Moderator
Moderator
7 January 2010 14:34 h
ok here the next bit:


FLOP

10 of hearts queen of spades ace of spades
ONEDONKEY21 - Bets $2.62
JAPKING - Calls $2.62

TURN

10 of hearts queen of spades ace of spades 6 of spades
ONEDONKEY21 - Bets $5.24
JAPKING?

Flush
Flush
8 January 2010 10:37 h
Great card to learn from here I think. This part of my game really sucks. I am pretty sure your supposed to call but I am and have mostly always fold this right now unless the bet is smaller and/or have been able to see this card for free. Are you supposed to call now? The limp is killing me When you were in the hand what did you have this guy on. Im automatically putting him on 2 spades that most likly hit the flop somehow. 9Js/10Js/89s/810s/57s and so on. Another question I have is do you think Im giving to much credit here? Why Im folding and dont like these spots is because the river bet might be pretty substantial and am commiting with a possible flush out there?
Moderator
Moderator
8 January 2010 14:18 h
whateverman posted
The limp is killing me When you were in the hand what did you have this guy on. Im automatically putting him on 2 spades that most likly hit the flop somehow. 9Js/10Js/89s/810s/57s and so on


Well, the most important thing is to think in ranges, starting preflop. First note that this guy has a 66BB stack and he openlimps, which means he is not a good player. His limp/call means his range is something like any 2 face cards, an A or a pocket pair. His donkbet on the flop could be anything, but most weak players tend to donkbet medium hands, in this case that could be an weak A, a pair with a gutshot (JT,QK,QJ) or a flushdraw. Off course, stonger hands like TQ/AT or KJ are possible as well, but its more likely he would check/call or check raise with those hands. AQ/QQ/AA/TT he would have raised preflop, again we`re not 100% sure, but most likely. Last of all, there is always a chance that`s he`s making a random bluff.

Against this range, I think I`m ahead, so I should call or raise. I don`t think raising is good here, because I`m mostly gonna get called by better hands, and I have very few outs against the hands that beat me (AT/KJ/QT) and I would have to fold if he reraises me. So if I raise, I`m turning my hand into a bluff, as I would have to fold if he calls/raises me. That doesn`t mean a bluff can`t be profitable here, but I think calling is more profitable.

I`m gonna wait for some more comments before revealing the rest of the hand.
Flush
Flush
19 January 2010 13:49 h
So what happened?
Moderator
Moderator
19 January 2010 20:25 h

TURN

10 of hearts queen of spades ace of spades 6 of spades
ONEDONKEY21 - Bets $5.24
JAPKING - Calls $5.24

RIVER

10 of hearts queen of spades ace of spades 6 of spades 8 of clubs
ONEDONKEY21 - Bets $10.48
JAPKING - Calls $10.48

SHOW DOWN


ONEDONKEY21 - Shows 9 of diamonds ace of hearts (One pair, aces)
JAPKING - Shows 6 of hearts ace of diamonds (Two Pair, aces and sixes)
JAPKING Collects $39.38 from main pot


Im not sure if I played this well, on the turn I have two pair, but that only puts me ahead of a one pair A and QT and he could have the flush as well off course. His river bet is pretty bad, he`s never gonna get called by a worse hand
Flush
Flush
20 January 2010 10:32 h
Nice hand. Pretty good turn for you I guess then. If you are not turning two pair you are folding turn bet right?
Moderator
Moderator
20 January 2010 13:14 h
Yes I would have for sure. Even turning two pair I`m not sure if my turn/river calls are good


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