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Straight
Straight
4 January 2010 14:21 h
Here is a hand I was in the BB and UTG (very tigth player) raises to 3BB, two callers, one of which is a real fish and I wanted to be in the pot with him, so I called.

Hand History for Game 8771187115 (Party)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 04, 03:52:38 ET 2010
Table Super Speed 1467402 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: Rivotril ( $19.12 USD ), Seat 3: Caujlap ( $1.85 USD ), Seat 9: R44aa ( $3.90 USD ), Seat 8: Volkan20888 ( $13.30 USD ), Seat 4: Vroemie ( $2.80 USD ), Seat 7: fabrice558 ( $6.86 USD ), Seat 5: hausen2 ( $22.47 USD ), Seat 2: kylpareh ( $2.96 USD ), Seat 6: snelleklaas ( $5.09 USD )

Volkan20888 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Rivotril posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Rivotril [

ace of clubs 7 of clubs

kylpareh raises [$0.30 USD] 14/11 steal 11 / agg 7 / hands 83
Caujlap folds
Vroemie folds
hausen2 calls [$0.30 USD] 56/2 Steal 4 /agg 1,0 / hands 181
snelleklaas folds
fabrice558 folds
Volkan20888 calls [$0.25 USD] no data
Rivotril calls [$0.20 USD]

Dealing Flop

[ 2 of spades, 7 of spades, 2 of hearts
Volkan20888 checks, Rivotril checks
kylpareh bets [$1.03 USD]
hausen2 calls [$1.03 USD]
Volkan20888 folds
Rivotril ?????????? Call?? Raise??
Moderator
Moderator
4 January 2010 17:10 h
Your preflop call is fine, the callers are probably weak players and your / their stacksizes give you nice implied odds. You are investing $0.20 to hit a strong hand, such as:

trips/FH (1.5%)
two pair (2%)
flush (1%)

This means you have about 4.5% change to hit, lets say 1 in about 20. As you invested $0.20, you need to make at least 20 times this amount when you hit, or $4. In a 4 way pot with a few bad players you should be able to win that much, as the weak players will pay you off with a top pair hand or even weaker. In addition, 11% of the time you`ll hit a flush draw, sometimes in combination with a pair which is also a strong hand.

The assumption I made in the calculation above is that you won`t win anything when you hit anything weaker than two pair, like a top pair hand for example. But more importantly, I also assumed that you won`t LOSE anything when you hit such a hand. This tends to be difficult for a lot of players as they tend to overplay their medium hands in multiway pots.

This hand is a good example. 4 way your hand is pretty weak, the preflop raiser raised from EP so his range is pretty strong. If you`re ahead your opponents probably have a decent amount of outs and the turn will bring an overcard to the board most of the time, which makes it hard to continue on the turn/river. Add to this the fact that you`re out of position and it should be pretty clear that you should fold in this situation.

Raising would be an enormous mistake, you won`t get any calls from a worse hand except for a FD with at least 1 overcard, so you`re not that far ahead. The initial raiser has a short stack and is committed so raising to bluff doesn`t make any sense either!
Flush
Flush
5 January 2010 14:32 h
I like the preflop call as well but I think you need to fold now. Way to many hands are beating you. If you mae a big hand I think its a very fishy call if say you hit a 7 and are up against AK. Also no spade in hand. MUCKIT!!
Straight
Straight
6 January 2010 06:39 h
Later today when I get home I will post the rest of the hand, but let me say I called

Coming soon...
Moderator
Moderator
6 January 2010 10:18 h
Getting curious here
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Straight
Straight
7 January 2010 02:48 h

Dealing Flop [

2 of spades, 7 of spades, 2 of hearts
Volkan20888 checks
Rivotril checks
kylpareh bets [$1.03 USD]
hausen2 calls [$1.03 USD]
Volkan20888 folds
Rivotril calls [$1.03 USD]

Dealing Turn

[ queen of clubs
Rivotril checks, kylpareh checks, hausen2 checks

Dealing River

[ 6 of hearts
Rivotril checks
kylpareh bets [$1.63 USD]
hausen2 calls [$1.63 USD]
Rivotril .........................................................???????????????????????????


At the moment I was thinking that maybe I was actually holding the best hand. After Japmaster´s analysis I am thinking that I didn´t have a reason to think that
Moderator
Moderator
7 January 2010 09:28 h
Klyp raises in EP so his range is something like 99+ AK/AQ. His most likely hand at this point is 88-JJ. With the overcall its very unlikely you have the best hand, so I would fold.
Flush
Flush
7 January 2010 10:41 h
So you called and sucked a 7 on the river? vs A2 and pockets
Straight
Straight
7 January 2010 14:23 h
Ther is something you are not taking into account and that I probably overestimated at the moment of playing the hand. There is a flsuh draw on the board, and even with a paired board, in this levels people really overplay their flush draws.
Anyway, the pot was too big so far so I called the $1,63 bet, Besides, everybody checking the turn was suspicious of weak hands or flush draws. This is the complete hand, I know, (and I wanted to confirm it so that´s why I posted) it was pretty bad played. :r

Hand History for Game 8771187115 (Party)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 04, 03:52:38 ET 2010
Table Super Speed 1467402 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: Rivotril ( $19.12 USD ), Seat 3: Caujlap ( $1.85 USD ), Seat 9: R44aa ( $3.90 USD ), Seat 8: Volkan20888 ( $13.30 USD ), Seat 4: Vroemie ( $2.80 USD ), Seat 7: fabrice558 ( $6.86 USD ), Seat 5: hausen2 ( $22.47 USD ), Seat 2: kylpareh ( $2.96 USD ), Seat 6: snelleklaas ( $5.09 USD ),

Volkan20888 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Rivotril posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
Dealing down cards , Dealt to Rivotril [

ace of clubs 7 of clubs
kylpareh raises [$0.30 USD]
Caujlap folds, Vroemie folds
hausen2 calls [$0.30 USD]
snelleklaas folds, fabrice558 folds
Volkan20888 calls [$0.25 USD]
Rivotril calls [$0.20 USD]

Dealing Flop

[ 2 of spades, 7 of spades, 2 of hearts
Volkan20888 checks, Rivotril checks
kylpareh bets [$1.03 USD]
hausen2 calls [$1.03 USD]
Volkan20888 folds
Rivotril calls [$1.03 USD]

Dealing Turn

[ queen of clubs
Rivotril checks, kylpareh checks, hausen2 checks

Dealing River

[ 6 of hearts
Rivotril checks
kylpareh bets [$1.63 USD]
hausen2 calls [$1.63 USD]
Rivotril calls [$1.63 USD]
Rivotril shows ace of clubs, 7 of clubs
kylpareh doesn't show jack of spades, ace of spades
hausen2 doesn't show 6 of spades, king of spades
Rivotril wins $8.73 USD from main pot
Flush
Flush
8 January 2010 10:41 h
Well you must have smelled something and you won the pot so NH. I am losing this hand 100 percent of the time I think your folding the turn to a bet right?


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