Flush 15 December 2009 13:23 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	Stage #1799483436: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-12-15 10:46:34 (ET) Table: MAIN AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer Seat 5 - JENNYSCHIPS ($27.05 in chips) Seat 6 - LEDMITRIO ($25.60 in chips) Seat 2 - SNAKESWOLF ($25.75 in chips) Seat 3 - WHATEVERMAN ($99.20 in chips) Seat 4 - ZIGGI86 ($61.94 in chips) LEDMITRIO - Posts small blind $0.25 WHATEVERMAN - Posts big blind $0.50 POCKET CARDS Dealt to WHATEVERMAN ZIGGI86 - Raises $2 to $2 JENNYSCHIPS - Calls $2 LEDMITRIO - Folds WHATEVERMAN - Calls $1.50 FLOP WHATEVERMAN - Bets $5.50 ZIGGI86 - Calls $5.50 JENNYSCHIPS - Folds TURN WHATEVERMAN - ?
Moderator 15 December 2009 14:38 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	I guess this is not a bad spot for a donkbet, since your hand is quite vulnerable, the board drawy, plenty of worse hands that can call you. I would have bet a bit less though, to make a light call more likely and to keep the pot a bit smaller. The pot is $17 now and I don`t think you can commit, so I would check and see what he does.
Three of a Kind 15 December 2009 19:54 h
NobleTruths Registered at 2009-10-30 Posts: 61	i would rather fire off now, instead of giving him a free card, should he have two overs. for me, the time to c-c would be the river, depending upon what the river brings, of course. i would bet something around half pot.
Poker Pro 16 December 2009 10:11 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	I like the donk Although checkraising would be great here as well against an aggro villain. I disagree with Japmaster, just continue betting to get it all-in. You have a great hand and the board is perfect for villain to call you down light as you could easily have a flushdraw.
Moderator 16 December 2009 10:17 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	interesting...so you think he can get it all-in profitably? Note that villain has 125BB. Im curious about the result!
Flush 16 December 2009 10:53 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	I decided to pot here and he folded. This is a pretty standard hand for most players and the reason I posted it is because in the past, after he called my pre flop bet and called my flop bet and there was a possible better hand out I would shut down and check this. Im sure by doing this the river made alot of better hands for my opponent. Only from discussing histories and getting advice from other members helped me change my game to make these types of plays and not be so scared. Thanks all Stage #1799483436: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-12-15 10:46:34 (ET) Table: MAIN AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer Seat 5 - JENNYSCHIPS ($27.05 in chips) Seat 6 - LEDMITRIO ($25.60 in chips) Seat 2 - SNAKESWOLF ($25.75 in chips) Seat 3 - WHATEVERMAN ($99.20 in chips) Seat 4 - ZIGGI86 ($61.94 in chips) LEDMITRIO - Posts small blind $0.25 WHATEVERMAN - Posts big blind $0.50 POCKET CARDS Dealt to WHATEVERMAN ZIGGI86 - Raises $2 to $2 JENNYSCHIPS - Calls $2 LEDMITRIO - Folds WHATEVERMAN - Calls $1.50 FLOP WHATEVERMAN - Bets $5.50 ZIGGI86 - Calls $5.50 JENNYSCHIPS - Folds TURN WHATEVERMAN - Bets $12.50 ZIGGI86 - Folds WHATEVERMAN - returned ($12.50) : not called SHOW DOWN WHATEVERMAN - Does not show WHATEVERMAN Collects $15.90 from main pot SUMMARY Total Pot($17.25) \| Rake ($0.85) \| Jackpot Rake ($0.50) Board Seat 3: WHATEVERMAN (big blind) collected Total ($15.90) HI$15.90) [Does not show] Seat 4: ZIGGI86 Folded on the TURN Seat 5: JENNYSCHIPS (dealer) Folded on the FLOP Seat 6: LEDMITRIO (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Poker Pro 16 December 2009 12:37 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	Great play, agree you can't give away free cards on this board. Interesting question from Japmaster about the 125bb's I think, I guess it's profitable with these stacksizes to get it in, but where's the limit? 150bb? 200b? What's your opinion?
Moderator 16 December 2009 12:51 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	yeah one thing I didnt quite realize is that the board being drawy helps you in two ways, you could get it in against a draw, but you could also get it in against weaker made hands because villain might think you are on a draw... The question really is when for how many BBs is villain willing to stack off with a T9/A9/TT type of hand, once he`ll start folding these it`s gonna change your odds a lot as you crush this range
Moderator 16 December 2009 14:41 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	ok so on the turn there is $17 in the pot, let`s say you bet $13 and villain shoves, putting in $54.5, so you`d have to call another $41.5 for a total pot of $126, which means you can call his shove if you have 33% equity. Let`s say villain shoves { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s } Board: 3d 8d 9h 5c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 31.392% 30.35% 01.04% 641 22.00 { JcJd } Hand 1: 68.608% 67.57% 01.04% 1427 22.00 { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s } So against this range you just can`t call. Do you guys think this is a realistic range?
Flush 17 December 2009 10:19 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	For sure hes holding one of these hands. When I decided to pot turn I had already decided to call a push and if he has a set all well. I was prepared to stack off on this hand given there was no reraise preflop and no reraise on the flop. If I was superdeep like 400-450 BB and villain had same amount Im definetly only stacking with a set or better and folding to possible flushes mosy of the time. I usually dont ever stay after 400 BB though unlesss the table is just to good to leave.
Poker Pro 17 December 2009 11:38 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	Japmaster posted ok so on the turn there is $17 in the pot, let`s say you bet $13 and villain shoves, putting in $54.5, so you`d have to call another $41.5 for a total pot of $126, which means you can call his shove if you have 33% equity. Let`s say villain shoves { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s } Board: 3d 8d 9h 5c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 31.392% 30.35% 01.04% 641 22.00 { JcJd } Hand 1: 68.608% 67.57% 01.04% 1427 22.00 { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s } So against this range you just can`t call. Do you guys think this is a realistic range? I think there are more draws in his range, also I don't think you should count all sets, cause he will prob reraise them at least 50% of the time on the flop
Moderator 17 December 2009 12:21 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	I agree, but that`s also true for the draws, if not more, a lot of players like to call with a set to slowplay

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