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Flush
Flush
15 December 2009 13:23 h

Stage #1799483436: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-12-15 10:46:34 (ET)
Table: MAIN AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - JENNYSCHIPS ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 6 - LEDMITRIO ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 2 - SNAKESWOLF ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - WHATEVERMAN ($99.20 in chips)
Seat 4 - ZIGGI86 ($61.94 in chips)
LEDMITRIO - Posts small blind $0.25
WHATEVERMAN - Posts big blind $0.50
POCKET CARDS
Dealt to WHATEVERMAN

jack of diamonds jack of clubs
ZIGGI86 - Raises $2 to $2
JENNYSCHIPS - Calls $2
LEDMITRIO - Folds
WHATEVERMAN - Calls $1.50

FLOP

3 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 9 of hearts
WHATEVERMAN - Bets $5.50
ZIGGI86 - Calls $5.50
JENNYSCHIPS - Folds

TURN

3 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 9 of hearts 5 of clubs
WHATEVERMAN - ?
Moderator
Moderator
15 December 2009 14:38 h
I guess this is not a bad spot for a donkbet, since your hand is quite vulnerable, the board drawy, plenty of worse hands that can call you. I would have bet a bit less though, to make a light call more likely and to keep the pot a bit smaller. The pot is $17 now and I don`t think you can commit, so I would check and see what he does.
Three of a Kind
Three of a Kind
15 December 2009 19:54 h
i would rather fire off now, instead of giving him a free card, should he have two overs. for me, the time to c-c would be the river, depending upon what the river brings, of course. i would bet something around half pot.
Poker Pro
Poker Pro
16 December 2009 10:11 h
I like the donk Although checkraising would be great here as well against an aggro villain.

I disagree with Japmaster, just continue betting to get it all-in. You have a great hand and the board is perfect for villain to call you down light as you could easily have a flushdraw.
Moderator
Moderator
16 December 2009 10:17 h
interesting...so you think he can get it all-in profitably? Note that villain has 125BB.

Im curious about the result!
Flush
Flush
16 December 2009 10:53 h
I decided to pot here and he folded. This is a pretty standard hand for most players and the reason I posted it is because in the past, after he called my pre flop bet and called my flop bet and there was a possible better hand out I would shut down and check this. Im sure by doing this the river made alot of better hands for my opponent. Only from discussing histories and getting advice from other members helped me change my game to make these types of plays and not be so scared. Thanks all

Stage #1799483436: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2009-12-15 10:46:34 (ET)
Table: MAIN AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - JENNYSCHIPS ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 6 - LEDMITRIO ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 2 - SNAKESWOLF ($25.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - WHATEVERMAN ($99.20 in chips)
Seat 4 - ZIGGI86 ($61.94 in chips)
LEDMITRIO - Posts small blind $0.25
WHATEVERMAN - Posts big blind $0.50
POCKET CARDS
Dealt to WHATEVERMAN

jack of diamonds jack of clubs
ZIGGI86 - Raises $2 to $2
JENNYSCHIPS - Calls $2
LEDMITRIO - Folds
WHATEVERMAN - Calls $1.50

FLOP

3 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 9 of hearts
WHATEVERMAN - Bets $5.50
ZIGGI86 - Calls $5.50
JENNYSCHIPS - Folds

TURN

3 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 9 of hearts 5 of clubs
WHATEVERMAN - Bets $12.50
ZIGGI86 - Folds
WHATEVERMAN - returned ($12.50) : not called

SHOW DOWN


WHATEVERMAN - Does not show
WHATEVERMAN Collects $15.90 from main pot

SUMMARY


Total Pot($17.25) | Rake ($0.85) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
Board 3 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 9 of hearts 5 of clubs
Seat 3: WHATEVERMAN (big blind) collected Total ($15.90) HI$15.90) [Does not show]
Seat 4: ZIGGI86 Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: JENNYSCHIPS (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 6: LEDMITRIO (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Poker Pro
Poker Pro
16 December 2009 12:37 h
Great play, agree you can't give away free cards on this board.

Interesting question from Japmaster about the 125bb's I think, I guess it's profitable with these stacksizes to get it in, but where's the limit? 150bb? 200b? What's your opinion?
Moderator
Moderator
16 December 2009 12:51 h
yeah one thing I didnt quite realize is that the board being drawy helps you in two ways, you could get it in against a draw, but you could also get it in against weaker made hands because villain might think you are on a draw...

The question really is when for how many BBs is villain willing to stack off with a T9/A9/TT type of hand, once he`ll start folding these it`s gonna change your odds a lot as you crush this range

Moderator
Moderator
16 December 2009 14:41 h
ok so on the turn there is $17 in the pot, let`s say you bet $13 and villain shoves, putting in $54.5, so you`d have to call another $41.5 for a total pot of $126, which means you can call his shove if you have 33% equity.

Let`s say villain shoves { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s }

Board: 3d 8d 9h 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.392% 30.35% 01.04% 641 22.00 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 68.608% 67.57% 01.04% 1427 22.00 { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s }

So against this range you just can`t call. Do you guys think this is a realistic range?
Flush
Flush
17 December 2009 10:19 h
For sure hes holding one of these hands. When I decided to pot turn I had already decided to call a push and if he has a set all well. I was prepared to stack off on this hand given there was no reraise preflop and no reraise on the flop. If I was superdeep like 400-450 BB and villain had same amount Im definetly only stacking with a set or better and folding to possible flushes mosy of the time. I usually dont ever stay after 400 BB though unlesss the table is just to good to leave.
Poker Pro
Poker Pro
17 December 2009 11:38 h
Japmaster posted
ok so on the turn there is $17 in the pot, let`s say you bet $13 and villain shoves, putting in $54.5, so you`d have to call another $41.5 for a total pot of $126, which means you can call his shove if you have 33% equity.

Let`s say villain shoves { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s }

Board: 3d 8d 9h 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.392% 30.35% 01.04% 641 22.00 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 68.608% 67.57% 01.04% 1427 22.00 { 88+, 55, 33, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, KdQd, KdJd, QdJd, J9s+, T9s, 98s }

So against this range you just can`t call. Do you guys think this is a realistic range?


I think there are more draws in his range, also I don't think you should count all sets, cause he will prob reraise them at least 50% of the time on the flop
Moderator
Moderator
17 December 2009 12:21 h
I agree, but that`s also true for the draws, if not more, a lot of players like to call with a set to slowplay


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