[hand]Table #22636376 - Rainbows End
Starting Hand #1080980821
Start time of hand: 08 Dec 2009 05:14:40
Last Hand #1080980517
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: RING
Money Type: REAL MONEY
Blinds are now $0.10/$0.25
Button is at seat 4
Seat 1: HairBag - $24.85
Seat 2: KingElias - $6.91
Seat 3: trickywizard - $54.98
Seat 4: whateverman - $22.35
Seat 5: Lswinner - $34.75
Seat 6: megazis - $63.46
Seat 7: SasS06 - $14.75
Seat 8: Vixon1 - $11.25
Seat 9: termy666 - $21.49
Seat 10: MagicMace - $9.84
Moving Button to seat 5
megazis posts small blind ($0.10)
SasS06 posts big blind ($0.25)
KingElias posts $0.25
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Ks Qs] to whateverman
Vixon1 folds
termy666 folds
MagicMace folds
HairBag raises to $0.50
KingElias folds
trickywizard folds
whateverman calls $0.50
Lswinner calls $0.50
megazis folds
SasS06 calls $0.50
Dealing Flop [Qd Jd Kh]
SasS06 checks
HairBag bets $2
whateverman ?-Raise or call[/hand]

villain makes min raise from mp. this doesnt fit high pp, so doubt trips. poss A/10 or 10/9 for str8. next worst case scenario puts villain on flush AND str8 draws, which puts y'all close to even. o/w, u are ahead with any other holding. pot is $2.35, and villain makes a near pot-sized bet of $2. i would reraise to make him pay to chase, since you are favorite or even against all but two holdings.

You probably have the best hand right now, but there are a ton of cards that kill you, any diamond, a T, an A, a J, a 9. Question is, if you reraise, what hands that you beat are gonna call you? I think a bunch of combodraws and maybe QJ/JK. I think you can reraise, but it`s not a very profitable spot.

I did think about raising but the table was full of flush monkeys so I thought I would see another one and if no draw hit then go from there.


What th hell? The 2h could not have possibly heloped anyone right. What to do here?

board didnt change, so I would raise. He is betting for the same reason he is betting the flop I assume.

Don't like these spots at all, reraising is never going to be very profitable, because you won't be called by many worse hands and there are not many hands that will fold that have cbet this extremely wet board in the first place.

So I would just call, same on turn, he could still be betting very good draw which makes calling +EV I guess. River is very difficult though, cause you're not committed.

The 2h could have helped him with a draw. He could also hold the nuts already are be protecting a set.

maestroB posted
Don't like these spots at all, reraising is never going to be very profitable, because you won't be called by many worse hands and there are not many hands that will fold that have cbet this extremely wet board in the first place.

I think at NL25 you will get called by worse hands, players tend to focus on the absolute value of their hand, when they hit something they have trouble letting go. So I think you`ll get called to FDs, AK,AA, KJ, JQ maybe even AQ, JT,QT,KT. KK/QQ is unlikely only 1 possible hand combo for both.

@ Japmaster

agree on the letting go problem of villains, but it still is full ring and villain opened in early position, let's just stove it

Let's assume he's opening:
88+
AKs-A10s, KQs, KJs, QJs
AKo, AQo

On the flop he let's go of the 88, 99

pokerstove:
hero 57.355%
villain 42.645%

so that seems quite ok

he`ll probably fold AJ and maybe AQ as well

but for fun, lets say its 50/50 if he calls, that would still make the move profitable, coz you`ll pick up the pot when he folds. Question is: is it more profitable to call? Though to say, headsup maybe, but with 4 ppl on the flop there is a pretty big change you`ll get outdrawn if you are ahead. And if your behind you`ll prob call another turn bet if a blank comes.

Because of my stack size here If I call I and call again at river Ill have 2 bucks left in my stack. If I raise Im also commited so I hoped that if anyone had me beat it was the smaller of the two stacks and decided to shove it. If I had a larger stack I think I will just call but hard to say for sure. This was a very tough spot for me on a very fishy table.

yeah its a tricky spot for sure, in the sense that its a close call, the good thing about these spots, is that because its so close, you can`t make big mistakes

Too bad:\ I had K 10 beat. Guy flops a str8 and I flop top two with no poss flush out. Another beat to remember next time I get in that spot.

well I think you played the hand fine, its just not a great spot