Poker Pro 22 November 2009 08:53 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	Full Tilt Poker Game #16216008013: Table Plaske (ante, deep) - $2/$4 Ante $0.75 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:45:36 ET - 2009/11/22 Seat 1: cako01 ($343.20) Seat 2: iblis111 ($361.40) Seat 3: Kryptx00 ($1,219.35) Seat 4: pete royal ($535.50) Seat 5: crapface82 ($891.95) Seat 6: Imajika ($800) Seat 7: Ben1323 ($376.35) Seat 8: wicky_wawa ($665.45) Seat 9: fishhooks212 ($293.90) pete royal antes $0.75 cako01 antes $0.75 Imajika antes $0.75 Ben1323 antes $0.75 crapface82 antes $0.75 wicky_wawa antes $0.75 Kryptx00 antes $0.75 fishhooks212 antes $0.75 iblis111 antes $0.75 pete royal posts the small blind of $2 crapface82 posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #3 HOLE CARDS Dealt to wicky_wawa Imajika folds Imajika adds $0.75 Ben1323 raises to $8 wicky_wawa? Do we 3bet or just call? Villain is a tight reg.
Three of a Kind 22 November 2009 09:39 h
NobleTruths Registered at 2009-10-30 Posts: 61	He may be a tight regular, but it is still a min raise...and others may be priced in to call. time to isolate and assess the value of your hand. he may have anything from AA to lower pp, AK to A-highX, MSC. I say isolate and test the waters with a 3-bet ($20-25).
22 November 2009 10:25 h
astier Registered at 2009-05-01 Posts: 349	I agree with nobletrhths. You should 3bet him. His minraise could get more people in the pot, besides, he could think you are 3betting him with a wider range since he is aware he made a miniraise. So maybe you induce a 4bet. Of course this is my opinion and I am not an expert
Poker Pro 22 November 2009 14:04 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	so we want him to 4bet? to 5bet aI?
Moderator 23 November 2009 15:25 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	def 3bet I think, you don`t want to play a multiway pot. If he 4bets you can shove right?
Flush 23 November 2009 21:29 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	You have to 3 bet right but if/when he 4 bets you and you know he is tight reg is this where your poker software will come in handy?? So many times you see it go back and forth 3 bet 4 bet all inn AA vs KK I will of course be more than happy to get all the money in pre w KK but mabye the software will show different point of view?? Very curious as I will never fold KK UNLESS mabye you can fold it with some help from stats?
High card 24 November 2009 01:36 h
DuncanAce Registered at 2009-11-18 Posts: 1	Let's see: The only hand that will beat you is AA. So you definiately have to 3bet him. But you are worried he will fold and maybe get some extra play when you call this hand? But like others said this may end up, others to get in on it. For me it is obvious. 3bet his ass
Poker Pro 24 November 2009 11:58 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	This is a full ring game against an early position opener. What hands will he call my 3bet with and what hands will he 4bet you think//?
Moderator 24 November 2009 16:07 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	hmm I never played FR games, but if he is a tight regular, my guess would be that he would 4bet QQ-AA/AK and call with 99-JJ/AQ.
Flush 24 November 2009 19:53 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	Question gentleman.. Im always folding QQ and lower to a 3 bet unless I have info that tells me otherwise. Im not really raising with less than 99 and AQ+ Is this very weak of me?
Moderator 25 November 2009 04:55 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	yeah that sounds way too passive, though it depends a bit on what kind of game you play and your position, but check out this NL 6max chart that should be a good start for cash games.
Poker Pro 26 November 2009 05:00 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	If I 3bet here, most opponents will only and correctly 4bet AA, KK and AK, which kills a lot of my action. So I decide to call.. Full Tilt Poker Game #16216008013: Table Plaske (ante, deep) - $2/$4 Ante $0.75 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:45:36 ET - 2009/11/22 Seat 1: cako01 ($343.20) Seat 2: iblis111 ($361.40) Seat 3: Kryptx00 ($1,219.35) Seat 4: pete royal ($535.50) Seat 5: crapface82 ($891.95) Seat 6: Imajika ($800) Seat 7: Ben1323 ($376.35) Seat 8: wicky_wawa ($665.45) Seat 9: fishhooks212 ($293.90) pete royal antes $0.75 cako01 antes $0.75 Imajika antes $0.75 Ben1323 antes $0.75 crapface82 antes $0.75 wicky_wawa antes $0.75 Kryptx00 antes $0.75 fishhooks212 antes $0.75 iblis111 antes $0.75 pete royal posts the small blind of $2 crapface82 posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #3 HOLE CARDS Dealt to wicky_wawa Imajika folds Imajika adds $0.75 Ben1323 raises to $8 wicky_wawa calls $8 fishhooks212 folds cako01 folds iblis111 raises to $16 Kryptx00 folds pete royal folds crapface82 folds Ben1323 has 15 seconds left to act Ben1323 raises to $36 wicky_wawa calls $28 iblis111 has 15 seconds left to act iblis111 calls $20 FLOP Ben1323 has 15 seconds left to act Ben1323 bets $52 wicky_wawa calls $52 iblis111 has 15 seconds left to act iblis111 raises to $160 Ben1323 has 15 seconds left to act Ben1323 raises to $268 wicky_wawa has 15 seconds left to act wicky_wawa has requested TIME wicky_wawa? Errr.. now what?
Flush 26 November 2009 13:32 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	I am definetly folding here..Although its a tough fold I have found that if I am able to justfy a fold on the board alone and am facing a raise then reraise all the money is going in and even if by chance I may be ahead..I might have to survive 2 more cards against two players with no heart in my hand. I will wait for a better spot. Its hard because one of them might have a set of threes with no heart and your wayy ahead. AK could be very likly too. If it was cheaper I would stay in but Im folding here.
Three of a Kind 28 November 2009 15:46 h
NobleTruths Registered at 2009-10-30 Posts: 61	either ev1 is afraid to look foolish, or ev1 is out for thxgvn. so here goes my foolish thoughts. i just dont like the total line of play i see here, for the very reason we here: we are clueless as to where our hand stands. first, i would have reraised Ben preflop. if iblis still reraised and Ben reraised again, time to fold (still preflop)(BTW, b/c iblis did not reraise again preflop, we can almost assuredly rule-out AA for him, he could still have AK or high hearts). if they only called your reraise, or in the odd setting you find yourself in which the way this hand did play out in reality, after Ben's $52 flop bet, i would reraise to test your trips. if iblis raises and Ben reraises, i think you have a hard fold. with my line of play, you have been saying all along that you have a monster. for them to keep pushing back, you must figure your monster is beat. with your more passive play, they may be pushing back because they feel a weaker hand is better than yours. which is, of course, what we all want.....but this board is too scary to mess with. i await for wiser guidance.
Poker Pro 30 November 2009 05:24 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	I have to disagree with that, reraising with hands for information as you're suggesting is generally a bad idea because the price you have to pay to find out you can fold is just way too high. In this situation I have to agree with you guys though that I should have 3bet preflop, not for value, because getting it in pre is not really what I want to see. Also not for info, but to make sure it doesn't become a big multiway pot in which my hand doesn't play well. Anyways, I folded flop. Full Tilt Poker Game #16216008013: Table Plaske (ante, deep) - $2/$4 Ante $0.75 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:45:36 ET - 2009/11/22 Seat 1: cako01 ($343.20) Seat 2: iblis111 ($361.40) Seat 3: Kryptx00 ($1,219.35) Seat 4: pete royal ($535.50) Seat 5: crapface82 ($891.95) Seat 6: Imajika ($800) Seat 7: Ben1323 ($376.35) Seat 8: wicky_wawa ($665.45) Seat 9: fishhooks212 ($293.90) pete royal antes $0.75 cako01 antes $0.75 Imajika antes $0.75 Ben1323 antes $0.75 crapface82 antes $0.75 wicky_wawa antes $0.75 Kryptx00 antes $0.75 fishhooks212 antes $0.75 iblis111 antes $0.75 pete royal posts the small blind of $2 crapface82 posts the big blind of $4 The button is in seat #3 HOLE CARDS Dealt to wicky_wawa Imajika folds Imajika adds $0.75 Ben1323 raises to $8 wicky_wawa calls $8 fishhooks212 folds cako01 folds iblis111 raises to $16 Kryptx00 folds pete royal folds crapface82 folds Ben1323 has 15 seconds left to act Ben1323 raises to $36 wicky_wawa calls $28 iblis111 has 15 seconds left to act iblis111 calls $20 FLOP Ben1323 has 15 seconds left to act Ben1323 bets $52 wicky_wawa calls $52 iblis111 has 15 seconds left to act iblis111 raises to $160 Ben1323 has 15 seconds left to act Ben1323 raises to $268 wicky_wawa has 15 seconds left to act wicky_wawa has requested TIME wicky_wawa folds iblis111 raises to $324.65, and is all in Ben1323 calls $56.65 iblis111 shows Ben1323 shows TURN RIVER iblis111 shows three of a kind, Aces Ben1323 shows a pair of Queens iblis111 wins the pot ($819.05) with three of a kind, Aces SUMMARY Total pot $822.05 \| Rake $3 Board: Seat 1: cako01 folded before the Flop Seat 2: iblis111 showed and won ($819.05) with three of a kind, Aces Seat 3: Kryptx00 (button) folded before the Flop Seat 4: pete royal (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 5: crapface82 (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 6: Imajika folded before the Flop Seat 7: Ben1323 showed and lost with a pair of Queens Seat 8: wicky_wawa folded on the Flop Seat 9: fishhooks212 folded before the Flop
Three of a Kind 30 November 2009 10:41 h
NobleTruths Registered at 2009-10-30 Posts: 61	ok, notations to make: Ben1323 -----> foolish iblis -------> doesnt cap AA wicky_wawa ------> master of the universe
Poker Pro 30 November 2009 10:45 h
maestroB Registered at 2005-12-08 Posts: 1889	NobleTruths posted ok, notations to make: Ben1323 -----> foolish iblis -------> doesnt cap AA wicky_wawa ------> master of the universe lol
Moderator 30 November 2009 16:06 h
Japmaster Registered at 2006-06-12 Posts: 2082	I was just gonna say, one of them probably has AA, but I can`t see myself folding...nice fold!
Flush 30 November 2009 20:31 h
whateverman Registered at 2009-08-01 Posts: 347	Wouldnt a heart on the river just be down right sick. What is he thinking with QQ.oh I know...

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