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NL600 deep: monsterdraw
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Poker Pro
Poker Pro
9 November 2009 07:10 h

Full Tilt Poker Game #15853121919: Table Gondar (deep) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:34:57 ET - 2009/11/07
Seat 1: merqury ($324), is sitting out
Seat 2: TheZadester ($1,991)
Seat 3: 77goblue77 ($284)
Seat 4: shipda_sherbert ($600)
Seat 5: thurloe_sq ($1,563)
Seat 6: wicky_wawa ($801)
Seat 7: Razztor ($1,877.40)
Seat 8: alaind21 ($463.95)
Seat 9: padirk165 ($1,194)
merqury has returned
padirk165 posts the small blind of $3
TheZadester posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #8
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to wicky_wawa

king of diamonds queen of diamonds
77goblue77 folds
shipda_sherbert raises to $18
thurloe_sq folds
wicky_wawa calls $18
Razztor folds
alaind21 calls $18
padirk165 folds
TheZadester folds

FLOP

jack of hearts 10 of diamonds 8 of diamonds
shipda_sherbert bets $40
wicky_wawa ?

What to do? alaind21 is a fish and shipda is a reg
Flush
Flush
9 November 2009 11:34 h
In the past I have reraised in this spot. After not having great results I will just call now until my hand is made. Is reraising the correct play? If you raise and get reraised which is a very big possibility is it OK to commit your stack to this board? I have done this alot in the past and havnt had alot of success. Im not certain but I think if no one has flopped a set and no one holds or has folded a diomond Ace or 9 then you have 16 outs that give you pretty much the nuts. With this board I dont think your overcards have vry much value. Do they? Even if the turn and river came KK or QQ Im probly not commiting that much money. Sure would be nice to see an ace of diomonds come off.
Bye the way what happened with the AQ clubs hand you had posted earlier.
Poker Pro
Poker Pro
10 November 2009 05:56 h
I agree with you that in a full ring game, reraising should not be your default play with a nice draw, but in this case I have an absolute monster on the flop with the straight as well as the flush draw. So I want to get as much money in as soon as possible while also folding out hands that beat me at this moment. There's only one hand I truly fear and that's the nutflush draw, reraising might get it to fold, while calling will surely keep it in, destroying my implied odds.
Just calling will also possibly get me in trouble if K or a Q comes of.
Only one reason here to call maybe, and that is to keep the fish in the pot, but that's not enough to justify it I guess.

Full Tilt Poker Game #15853121919: Table Gondar (deep) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:34:57 ET - 2009/11/07
Seat 1: merqury ($324), is sitting out
Seat 2: TheZadester ($1,991)
Seat 3: 77goblue77 ($284)
Seat 4: shipda_sherbert ($600)
Seat 5: thurloe_sq ($1,563)
Seat 6: wicky_wawa ($801)
Seat 7: Razztor ($1,877.40)
Seat 8: alaind21 ($463.95)
Seat 9: padirk165 ($1,194)
merqury has returned
padirk165 posts the small blind of $3
TheZadester posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #8
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to wicky_wawa

king of diamonds queen of diamonds
77goblue77 folds
shipda_sherbert raises to $18
thurloe_sq folds
wicky_wawa calls $18
Razztor folds
alaind21 calls $18
padirk165 folds
TheZadester folds

FLOP

jack of hearts 10 of diamonds 8 of diamonds
shipda_sherbert bets $40
wicky_wawa has 15 seconds left to act
wicky_wawa raises to $120
alaind21 has 15 seconds left to act
alaind21 calls $120
shipda_sherbert calls $80

TURN

jack of hearts 10 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 6 of clubs
shipda_sherbert checks
wicky_wawa


Poker Pro
Poker Pro
10 November 2009 06:48 h
so now what? what kind of hands do we put them on?
Flush
Flush
10 November 2009 13:09 h
This is another spot which I have alot of difficulty..Do we take the free card concidering we are not yet made and show weakness or bet out? Heres my thought process. Please let me know if I am overthinking.

1.What is he raising in second position with 6 people still to act?
I can only assume its going to be AJs-AKs or 99+
2.What can he possibly be trapping with?
Given the board the only argument for checking might be AJd or 79d (79 is highly unliky though)
What is he not checking?=not checking a st8
=not checking a set
=not checking an over pocket pair

I have to put shipda_sherbert on AK or AQ and has decided now not to contue bet again against 2 players after getting called on flop.
not too worried about shipda_sherbert anymore after the check

alaind21-late call and no reraise..seems to be comming along for the ride.
I have to exclude 1010+
You said he was fish so tough one here
It may be a possibilty of 99 here
Is he calling along with only ace high gunshot? probly not. AK and AQ are excluded
I think he hit the flop somehow but he certainly dosnt seem that strong.
I have to think alaind21 has /KQ/KJ/QJ/99/A10 or a Jack high flush draw or lower-is this too many hands to put a player on when trying to make a decision??
If you bet and alaind cals he is commited to calling with only top pair regardless of river.
Given the way the hand played out and the amount of money already in the pot compared to alaind21 stack and also that I am no longer worried about shipda shelpa I will gamble now and push in.
I think doing this will fold any draws and single pairs and even if we get a bad call from alaind we have lotsa outs and now feel K and Q overcasrd may have value of 6 more poss outs.
Poker Pro
Poker Pro
22 November 2009 09:11 h
I think made hands are pretty unlikely as they would probably shoved on the flop. The turn card is a blank, which means I'm behind but I still have fold equity. The hands I'm most scared of are the nutflushdraw and set, so

Full Tilt Poker Game #15853121919: Table Gondar (deep) - $3/$6 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:34:57 ET - 2009/11/07
Seat 1: merqury ($324), is sitting out
Seat 2: TheZadester ($1,991)
Seat 3: 77goblue77 ($284)
Seat 4: shipda_sherbert ($600)
Seat 5: thurloe_sq ($1,563)
Seat 6: wicky_wawa ($801)
Seat 7: Razztor ($1,877.40)
Seat 8: alaind21 ($463.95)
Seat 9: padirk165 ($1,194)
merqury has returned
padirk165 posts the small blind of $3
TheZadester posts the big blind of $6
The button is in seat #8
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to wicky_wawa

king of diamonds queen of diamonds
77goblue77 folds
shipda_sherbert raises to $18
thurloe_sq folds
wicky_wawa calls $18
Razztor folds
alaind21 calls $18
padirk165 folds
TheZadester folds

FLOP

jack of hearts 10 of diamonds 8 of diamonds
shipda_sherbert bets $40
wicky_wawa has 15 seconds left to act
wicky_wawa raises to $120
alaind21 has 15 seconds left to act
alaind21 calls $120
shipda_sherbert calls $80

TURN

jack of hearts 10 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 6 of clubs
shipda_sherbert checks
wicky_wawa has 15 seconds left to act
wicky_wawa has requested TIME
wicky_wawa bets $318
alaind21 has 15 seconds left to act
alaind21 folds
shipda_sherbert folds
shipda_sherbert adds $138
Uncalled bet of $318 returned to wicky_wawa
wicky_wawa mucks
wicky_wawa wins the pot ($420)

SUMMARY


Total pot $423 | Rake $3
Board: jack of hearts 10 of diamonds 8 of diamonds 6 of clubs
Seat 1: merqury is sitting out
Seat 2: TheZadester (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: 77goblue77 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: shipda_sherbert folded on the Turn
Seat 5: thurloe_sq didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: wicky_wawa collected ($420), mucked
Seat 7: Razztor didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: alaind21 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: padirk165 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Moderator
Moderator
23 November 2009 15:22 h
so you bet to make him fold Axs?
Flush
Flush
23 November 2009 21:39 h
With raising so early can you really put him on Axs. Is that because he is note as fish? If the player was noted different would you still concider this? Best it could possibly be will be A9 and he will probly call with that so that means A7d at best.
Moderator
Moderator
24 November 2009 04:36 h
good point, the only nut FD he could have is AJs I guess


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